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Comment:Just a line to say thanks for your advice and input into my scope selection, I appreciate your assistance, which always comes across as honest and unbiased, something that I respect in a somebody who is selling me something. Your enthusiasm and willingness to pass on your wealth of knowledge regarding the hobby makes a welcome change in the one hundred mile an hour age that we live in. It is always a pleasure to do business with you, however one day I may end up buying what I intended to buy in the first place, something that I can never seem to manage. It must be said though, your advice has always proved to be bang on, if you say its the tool for the job, it always is. I am now looking forward to delivery of the TMB 105, which I shall no doubt enjoy. I shall speak to you again soon, take care and once again thank you. Regards, PS. Just how long is it before aperture fever takes hold, the reason that I ask is that 130 looks nice! |
Bray
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Richard BestProduct: Bray Tablet Mount
Date: 23 June 2004
Comment:
Richard Best observing set up - Tablet, Big-Bertha (C14 OTA) and the new transparent aluminium Tak FS152
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Dennis PanchenkoProduct: Bray Tablet Mount
Date: 30 March 2004
Comment:
I've been using Bray Tablet for two month now and decided to share my experience.
I bought this mount for use with TAL200K and my main requirement was stability. I also wanted a mount that is simple, portable and easy to set-up.
I've done a bit of a research, looked into various options and finally, after speaking to Chris from Bray Imaging, placed an order for a Tablet mount. When it arrived I was pleasantly surprised by the solid appearance of the mount. It was big, well machined and all the moving parts had light and smooth feel. I was impatient to try it in action but unfortunately it was a good two weeks before I could take it outside. I did try it in a daylight and all seemed to work very well but I decided not to make any judgments until I see how it performs under the night sky.
Finally clouds cleared away, I took the mount outside and was instantly impressed. First thing I've noticed was stability. I did not use any counterweights and the mount was very happy to hold a 10 plus kg telescope on one side. The only time when the tripod becomes a bit unstable is when I try to adjust the height without dismounting telescope first. Lifting up the tripod with mount and telescope is also a bit tricky as whole thing leans heavily on one side. Eventually I decided to get some counterweights but I would not bother if my telescope was a bit lighter.
It's very hard to describe how stable this mount is. You can tap the mount, lean on it, keep your hands on a tube and still see a stable picture. Of course when you kick a tripod leg with your foot there is a bit of an image shake, but it stops quickly and in general you have to do quite silly things to cause noticeable vibration.
Focusing is easy and does not require any effort. With higher magnification vibration becomes more noticeable and when focusing at 300X it is necessary to be a bit careful but even than stability is very good. Normally I don't have to take my hand off the focuser to see if image is in focus or not.
Tracking is very easy. Anything up to 200X is totally effortless, you just point telescope where you want and observe. Predictably it becomes less easy with higher powers but still is reasonably comfortable. I am quite happy to track Moon at 300X. I've tried 400X and it is not hard either, but I have yet to see a night with a seeing good enough for this magnification.
Once I even tried 533X on Jupiter. At this magnification all I could see was a bright blurry ball of light but manual tracking was possible! Admittedly it did require a bit of a patience and concentration, but if I had a bigger scope and seeing was better magnification would not be limited by the mount. In any case most of time I observe at or below 200X and this is where tracking is perfectly simple.
Balance does not seem to be an issue with my telescope. It is very easy to find a position when change between light and heavy eyepiece dos not require adjustment. I also tried using this mount with f10 90mm refractor which is very light and quite long and it was necessary to move tube a bit when changing from light to heavy eyepiece, but still it was very easy and did not require high level of precision.
Customer Name:
Pierce PalmerProduct: Bray Tablet Mount
Date: 3 March 2004
Comment:
Well, I've just received my Bray Tablet Mount! I have a Borg 100mm Achro which was supplied with Borg's SWII fork mount. Whist very lightweight, it was hopelessly unstable at anything other than the very lowest powers and in anything other than absolute calm conditions. This was a shame as my dream was to have a lightweight portable set-up to compliment my 10" dobsonian and take advantage of the dark-skies and lovely countryside I have around me (Cumbria, UK).
I spent several weeks trying to decide upon the right replacement, and even tried out a Manfrotto (Bogen) 410 geared head. This was an improvement on the Borg in terms of stability, but there was no way to slew without releasing and keeping hold of release clamps, making it a pain to use.
I then happened across the Tablet Mount, and was intrigued. Chris Garvey at Bray was very patient as he explained the mount's operations and seemed very confident in its ability to provide a rock-steady platform for both my Borg and my 10", even at the same time. He also went into several other mounting options available to me, and was completely unbiased in his viewsI ordered one a few days later, with the recommended wooden tripod by Tele-Optic (I believe) and it arrived this morning.
Having only managed to use it during daylight hours, my first impressions are very good indeed. The quality of the machining and finish far exceeds anything I have ever owned before. There is no slack in any of the fittings and the finish is first class. I've only mounted my Borg on it so far, but even at moderately high powers (x190) and with a considerable breeze, there was no image-shake whatsoever, even when focusing. To get any shake at all, I had to really knock the tube, and even then the vibrations damped out within half a second. I've never used the Giro mounts, but this does seem much more substantial.
Once I balanced the tube correctly, movements were silky smooth, effortless and with zero-backlash. I can imagine being able to track at high powers with absolutely no problems at all. The tension is azimuth is apparently factory set, and allows smooth movement with the merest touch. You can lock the mount in azimuth by turning a knurled knob and this feels very secure. Moving the mount in altitude is equally smooth, and very simple. The mount can hold two telescopes, one on each side, by use of two arms, each of which appear to be bearings in their own rights, allowing movement of the telescopes independently of each other in altitude. However, you can also lock these two arms together, and then move both telescopes in altitude as together. Whichever setting you choose, you can adjust the tension to suit by use of hand levers, which again feel positive.
Whilst not very lightweight, I can imagine happily taking this set-up a mile or so into the hills to get to wonderful observing sites. Whilst my tolerance of lugging stuff may be higher than others, the thought of having a rock-steady mount which you can immediately forget is there at the end of it, is a very tempting proposition.
Well, luckily the clouds turned hazy enough last night for me to spend an hour or so looking at the moon, and trying to put the Bray through its paces.
During the afternoon, I had to go to the post office, so I took the mount along to be weighed, just out of interest. The mount weighs approx 7.5kg (16lb), and I'm guessing the tripod weighs about 4kg (9lb) and with my 2.5kg Borg scope onboard, the whole package weighs 14kg or 30lbs. Whilst this is not inconsiderable, the compact nature of the mount (or more accurately the absence of a counter-balance shaft and weight) and the strap on the surveyor's tripod meant I was easily able to walk for half a mile to leave the village's street lights behind.
I extended the tripod to its full height to really test it, and then popped in a low power 2" eyepiece to find the moon. I think I should say that I love Dobsonian mounts for their stability, lack of vibration and intuitiveness in movement, and I dislike equatorial mounts for their (in my view) unnecessarily complex movements and the frequent need to rotate the OTA to get comfortable viewing, so I'm biased towards alt-az mounts.
Getting the moon in the field of view was a breeze, with free movements in both axis at the same time; something I have found hard to do with my Dobs in the past. Once I had the moon in the field of view, I put in a Meade Ultra Wide 6.7mm eyepiece and a x2 Barlow giving a magnification of x191. I've read some people bemoaning the lack of driven alt-az mounts. When I had my Borg mount, I too prayed for one...anything to stop me having to touch the scope and wait for the image to calm down again. I can't say I felt the need for one last night, as tracking the moon was effortless and in time will become something I don't even have to think about. There was never any image shake, and there was no hint of loose play or backlash at all. Comparing to the Borg again for a moment, if my eye even brushed the eyepiece, I would have to wait 4 or 5 seconds for the image to calm down again. Last night I was drumming my fingers against the tripod's legs and could see no movement at all in the image.
When I moved the scope in altitude on the individual arm bearing, as opposed to the shaft running through the mount, I did find the movement perhaps too loose, especially compared to the azimuth movement. This was somewhat rectified by slightly tightening the locking bolt on the individual arm, but I still found it preferable to lock the two arms together and use the overall altitude bearing (does this make sense? Probably not). This meant that the movements in both axis felt the same. Incidentally, it does seem possible to truly adjust the friction of the movements by varying the degree of tightness. On mounts I've used in the past, it was either locked, or unlocked, with very little in-between. Also, when "playing" with the mount before it got dark, and without a scope mounted to it, I did experience some slight sticky patches in the azimuth movement when rotating the mount round and round. However, once my scope was on, I didn't notice this at all, but I'll still ask Bray about this. With my Borg fork mount, and with previous Dobsonian mounts, I found balancing the tube to be critical, but I found it less critical here. Once I had the tube roughly balanced, I found I could have my eyepiece turret holding 5 eyepieces, or just one, and no adjustment was necessary, yet movements remained smooth and effortless.
I've yet to get the necessary accessories to mount my 10" on the other arm, but hope to do so soon. It'll be interesting to see if it's confusing going from moving a refractor to moving a Newtonian on the same mount and whether there are any balance issues when both are mounted. My gut feeling is there won't be, as the tripod appears rock solid and large enough to cope and I imagine their is sufficient weight in the mount itself to cope with both. I will also be interested to see how close to the Zenith I can get with an 1250mm focal length Newtonian; I managed with little problem with my Borg, once I removed the extra eyepieces from the turret. I shall also check the stability with a heavier and longer scope mounted to it. Again, my gut feeling is that it will be just as solid.
What I wanted was a no-compromise mount; relatively portable, easy to set up, able to mount anything, effortless tracking and rock-solid stability. I have spent far more money than I ever though I would on a mount; it is a reasonably expensive option. I know some people will think it's very expensive for "just" an alt-az mount, but I can't personally see why spending twice as much on an EQ6 (or even more on a GP-DX for example) would be money better spent. Whilst you would then have motor drives, I personally wouldn't see the point when you can track by hand so easily. Admittedly, I haven't tried tracking at x300 or x400 (I will as soon as I can) but from my days of having a GP-DX mount, I found that time-consuming polar alignment was needed to get decent results, and I just can't be bothered! In the past few weeks, I've lost about £100 on buying and selling the Borg Fork mount, and about £50 on buying and selling a Manfrotto 410. I was fed up with throwing money away and wanted to get it right. As I say, it may be a lot of money but at the moment, I can't see why I'd need to ever buy another mount. So far I'm very happy. I'll keep you updated and put some photos on when I get a chance.
PS...I neither work for Bray Imaging or know anyone who does. I am being objective in writing this; I've slagged enough astronomical equipment off in my time, and having spent a reasonable amount of money with them, if I wasn't happy, I would say....but this really is good!
Intes Micro
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Peter KarboulonisProduct: Intes Micro 715 Delux 1/10 WaveFront (7 inch f/15 Rumak Maksutov Cassegrain telescope
Date: 30 June 2003
Comment:
The telescope is great, it leaves my 'deluxe' 10" Orion Optics on its tracks. I am very happy with it. Not to mention I can now take it along where I go with little trouble. Many Thanks.
Teleport
Customer Name: Marcel
Product: Teleport
10 f/5 telescopeDate: October 2003
Comment:
I own now my 10" Teleport for more than a month. Time for a first feedback.
I was already one week in Tenerife with it at an Amateur Astronomer Meeting (see http://www.ttc-astro.de). The views there where really of very good quality, the skies too. This combination gave me my best visual experiences in astronomy I ever had. Very contrasty views of nebulae and galaxies, magnificient views of Mars and Saturn. What thrilled me also was the ease of use and precision of the sky commander. The combination of the perfect Teleport optics with the Sky commander is really fantastic. You can see a lot of objects in one night without spending a lot of time for searching the objects.
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Andre Hassid
ahassid@earthlink.netProduct:
Teleport telescopesDate: September 2003
Teleport 14.5" f/4.5
Teleport 10" f/5
Teleport 7" f/5.6
Comment:
I've owned three Teleports. I sold the 7" because it can't be used standing, and I got the 10". I sold the 10" because I found myself using the 14.5" all the time. So there is nothing wrong with the 10" or the 7". They are both great telescopes.
As for whether they are "perfect." The answer is No. But there is no "perfect" scope that I've found. And I certainly don't think the Astro-Physics Refractor is "perfect" -- or for that matter -- any refractor. The reason is that if they weigh (with mount) in the ball park of the Teleport 7 or 10, their aperture is MUCH smaller - 3 or 4 inches, and with mounts, are hardly more portable. That means that for any deep sky objects (and frankly to my mind, even planets) the Teleports will dance circles around them. The bigger Refractors, become almost un-portable, and still don't have the aperture reach of the Teleports. So although these refractors are beautiful jewel like instruments, they are far, very far, from perfect. I would take any Teleport over any refractor of 3 to 5 inches, any day. 6 inch refractors get more interesting, but also much less portable, and even then, give me the 10" or 14.5" Teleport.
Keep in mind that I'm only talking about visual astronomy. If you're looking for photography, then the small refractors on the right mount might admittedly make more sense.
So part of what you get, depends on what you're interested in. If it's photography, one of the refractors on a Losmandy mount is probably the way to go. If it's visual, the Teleports are the way to go (at least for me).
As far as all the talk about "refractor-like" views. The Teleport take second fiddle to nothing. I find that on the 3 or 4 inch refractors I've owned (and I've owned 5 APO scopes - TV Genesis; TV 102 - a real jewel; two TV-85; a BORG 100ED - technically not an APO; (plus I've used 4 or 5 different types of mounts; Gibraltar; Panoramic; Bogen tripod; Unistar on Astronomics tripod - the best of the bunch ) the most magnification I get on the planets is 200X - and often no higher than 150X. On the Teleports, I consistently can reach over 200X, usually over 300X, often over 400X and once in a great while up to 900X -- no kidding.
Andre
Customer Name: Marc Zukoff
Product: Teleport 10 f/5 telescope
Date: 18 February 2003
Comment:
For those of you waiting, believe me it is worth the wait. I have owned an AP 155, 130 and Tec 8" Mak. The Teleport revealed more low contrast features on Jupiter every time out.
Customer Name: Marc Zukoff
Product: Teleport 7 f/5.6 telescope.
Date: 20th February 2003
Comment:
I had the 7" out last night. Amazing how that little scope on the platform shows as much detail as a 6" apo.
Customer Name:
Mike HarveyProduct:
Teleport 10 f/5 telescope
Comment:
Took the scope/platform to Chiefland last night (took a night off from radio). With the ability to track, combined with the amazing contrast of that mirror, the scope performs more like a 12-14" on deepsky stuff and just electrifyingly well on Jupiter and Saturn.
Several nearby observers were near fainting when they took a peek at Saturn with the binocular viewer and about 500X. Each and every one said that they had NEVER before seen the natural color shadings on the planet's disc or the tonal gradations in the rings. The ball of the planet was a lite-buttery yellow, with a light brownish gray eq belt and numerous 'blushes' of varying shades of brown...while the rings were at least a dozen shades of gray to white. The crepe ring was easily and steadily observed, Cassini's divison showed irregularities that I'm not used to seeing in scopes under 14" and there were hints of Encke's division at times when the seeing steadied. All this, by the way, was observed in less than ideal seeing conditions! Wonderful!
Customer Name:
Daniel MounseyProduct:
Teleport 10 f/5 telescope
Comment:
I don't mean to be one to brag, but I just did some observing from my yard and this is by far the most incredible telescope I have ever seen or used and I'm not saying that because it's new. I was astonished at the simplicity of the Sky Commander computer as well. You literally only have to turn the power on and it asks you to align two stars and nothing else, it's that simple. Not even my GM8's computer can do that. No balancing or pointing your scope 90 deg. before the two star alignment etc. etc. The "Dob" mode makes it simple. The entire tube is baffled like a Takahashi and the craftsmanship is absolutely superb. Todd Gross's must have been a prototype since it did not look as nice. When I look at this scope, I can not believe that everything I will be using has been compressed into a box that is 24" by 14" and weighs only 32 pounds including my Palm Planetarium computer, Sky Commander, Rigel Finder, eyepieces, laser collimator, counter weights, flash light and even a bag of sun flower seeds. it sits in my front seat. Even the alan wrench to adjust the secondary is clipped to the upper cage assembly, not to mention that it's lined in black felt. Nothing ever separates from the scope either, meaning nothing can be misplaced. Even the mylar cover stays attached to the scope with velcro, including it's removable wood lid. In fact I was looking for the wood lid, not realizing that is was velcro'd to the side of the scope. That's how self contained the scope is. It has a built in fan, a secondary heater including and eyepiece heater. It's literally a 10" portable observatory.
William Optics
Customer Name: Paul Quinn
Product: William Optics Prism 2 Erecting Prism
Date: 14 July 2003
Comment:
Just a quick note to say that the William Optics Prism arrived safely on Friday. What a fantastic piece of engineering! For an erect image prism it is optically superb. And a fantastic mate with a 22mm Panoptic on a Megrez 80 (x22). Had great fun at the weekend watching buzzards hunting and fishing boats across the bay. A happy customer. Thanks again.
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